I am looking for a Pro-IV programmer preferably with Telecoms experience (ISIS) for a 1.5 - 2 month project in scandinavia. This may well lead to an extension for the right candidate.
Please mail me with C.V. and contact details at : info@rpms-recruitment.com
Or call me on : 0044 (0) 7710 497 137
Pro-IV programmer wanted urgently
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Posted 25 January 2004 - 12:59 PM
Depending on your attitude this placement is perfect. It's almost certainly a genuine offer for employment. If it's just an agency doing a bit of CV trawling then who cares you might still end up with a job.
I'm guessing none of you is unemployed at the moment. If you were, would you still be poking fun at the possibility to put a few grand in your back pocket?
Yes, it's cold in Scandinavia in the winter and you do freeze your nuts off, but just think how many willy warmers you can buy with 2 months contracting cash.
Picture this, you were layed off your old job just before Xmas. You're a bit low on cash and your kids didn't have a brilliant Xmas. You would jump at this opportunity. It mentions the possiblity of an extension. So, you can go there and in the mean time you try to find yourself a job closer to home. If nothing comes up and you haven't been a complete arse you can take the extension. When the contract finishes, even if its' two months you can now afford to send the wife and kids off to Disney World. You can even tag on a trip to Thailand for yourself to get some high class hooker action or whatever takes your fancy.
I think it's great that jobs are advertised on this forum. I would never snub any realistic job offer. I'm a ProIV mercenary and proud.
Remember:
No job = no high class hookers :-)
I'm guessing none of you is unemployed at the moment. If you were, would you still be poking fun at the possibility to put a few grand in your back pocket?
Yes, it's cold in Scandinavia in the winter and you do freeze your nuts off, but just think how many willy warmers you can buy with 2 months contracting cash.
Picture this, you were layed off your old job just before Xmas. You're a bit low on cash and your kids didn't have a brilliant Xmas. You would jump at this opportunity. It mentions the possiblity of an extension. So, you can go there and in the mean time you try to find yourself a job closer to home. If nothing comes up and you haven't been a complete arse you can take the extension. When the contract finishes, even if its' two months you can now afford to send the wife and kids off to Disney World. You can even tag on a trip to Thailand for yourself to get some high class hooker action or whatever takes your fancy.
I think it's great that jobs are advertised on this forum. I would never snub any realistic job offer. I'm a ProIV mercenary and proud.
Remember:
No job = no high class hookers :-)
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 10:31 AM
Steve,
Yes the money is tempting, but so is the temptation to sell your soul to the devil for a price. After all...that's what we do as contractors, isn't it?
Don't you think that there is a reason that this company keeps posting jobs up on the web at least 5-6 times a year? I can tell you, it is not because they are growing! Could it be because the contractors do not wish to stay more than their inital contract length. Maybe, but why is that? If this is such a GREAT opportunity, then why is this company losing contractors faster than the Titanic gained water? Is it because of the weather...it's definitely COLD and DARK over there now! Is it because of the work environment...maybe! Is it because of culture shock...who knows! But something keeps driving contractors away from this GREAT opportunity of yours, and you have to ask yourself...Why?
And what is this 6Week time length.
Look on the Web and I bet you'd be hard pressed to find a contract for less than 3 months. Why is that? Is this company trying to make hell a little more appealing by reducing the time you have to spend there? I sure would like the answer to this.
Yes, Steve, it is great that people are posting jobs here on Robs' forum, but isn't also important that we, the users of this forum, stick together and warn each other about legitimate questions and concerns about companies? Just as it looks bad to have a lot of short time contracts on one's CV, isn't it just as bad to see a company looking for contractors just as often? Wouldn't you want to know all of the dirt about a company before you gave up any time of your life to go work for them. Everyone has their price that they are willing to sell their soul for, and step into hell for. Hell, that's what contractor's are paid to do, and that is what we tell ourselves to justify the abuse companies throw at us.
But tell me Steve, if you knew the reason why this company can't seem to keep their contractors, for any reasonable length of time, even though you say this is such a GREAT opportunity, would the price they are offering be enough for you to put aside these issues and buy your soul for 6 weeks and then starting back at square one again?
I'm with Troy, I think 6 weeks is to short of a time to disrupt my life for and it'd be ludicrous to do so without knowing everything about this company.
Yes the money is tempting, but so is the temptation to sell your soul to the devil for a price. After all...that's what we do as contractors, isn't it?
Don't you think that there is a reason that this company keeps posting jobs up on the web at least 5-6 times a year? I can tell you, it is not because they are growing! Could it be because the contractors do not wish to stay more than their inital contract length. Maybe, but why is that? If this is such a GREAT opportunity, then why is this company losing contractors faster than the Titanic gained water? Is it because of the weather...it's definitely COLD and DARK over there now! Is it because of the work environment...maybe! Is it because of culture shock...who knows! But something keeps driving contractors away from this GREAT opportunity of yours, and you have to ask yourself...Why?
And what is this 6Week time length.
Look on the Web and I bet you'd be hard pressed to find a contract for less than 3 months. Why is that? Is this company trying to make hell a little more appealing by reducing the time you have to spend there? I sure would like the answer to this.Yes, Steve, it is great that people are posting jobs here on Robs' forum, but isn't also important that we, the users of this forum, stick together and warn each other about legitimate questions and concerns about companies? Just as it looks bad to have a lot of short time contracts on one's CV, isn't it just as bad to see a company looking for contractors just as often? Wouldn't you want to know all of the dirt about a company before you gave up any time of your life to go work for them. Everyone has their price that they are willing to sell their soul for, and step into hell for. Hell, that's what contractor's are paid to do, and that is what we tell ourselves to justify the abuse companies throw at us.
But tell me Steve, if you knew the reason why this company can't seem to keep their contractors, for any reasonable length of time, even though you say this is such a GREAT opportunity, would the price they are offering be enough for you to put aside these issues and buy your soul for 6 weeks and then starting back at square one again?
I'm with Troy, I think 6 weeks is to short of a time to disrupt my life for and it'd be ludicrous to do so without knowing everything about this company.
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 11:47 AM
I don't know what the big deal is. It's a balmy -5c here at the moment! As soon as the sea thaws out I'll be going for a swim!
Serously though it's a up to the individual - I'm not sure which site the ad is referring to but my time in Scandinavia has been great. Anyone who is currently out of work should at least consider it, if only for the experience.
Serously though it's a up to the individual - I'm not sure which site the ad is referring to but my time in Scandinavia has been great. Anyone who is currently out of work should at least consider it, if only for the experience.
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 12:42 PM
Hmm, ISIS in Scandinavia..
Likely either with Tele2 in Stockholm or maybe what is now Vodafone in Karlskrona? Not aware there are any others. One would imagine Vodafone will be heading for corporate solutions that don't include ProIV so maybe Tele2 is more likely. Stockholm is hardly an "Arctic waste". On the other hand since it appears very short term, ,maybe it could be Vodafone..
There are very few "projects" that really take two months unless they are entirely self-contained. I have taken a three month contract and ended up staying four years. You have to take a view depending on what the specific work is.
I think the ProIV work and human resourcing on ISIS is often handled via CSC. My only historical contact with CSC suggested that typically they don't offer very good contract rates and they either couldn't or wouldn't be flexible depending on who they were getting. So I guess that could be an issue.
Clearly, if they're only offering 30/40 days paid work then the rate has to be set accordingly and they have to take care of all accomodation and transport costs for you. Assuming you can afford to decline the work then I would have thought you could insist on USD750/day plus all expenses.
Maybe they're being extra cautious because some contractors they've been getting recently haven't been up to it? Who knows.
Remember the arrangement is reciprocal - if you don't like it you can walk away after two months and not be stuck for six. What is effectively a "probationary" period can be advantageous to both parties - if you're worried it might not be a pleasant place to work you should surely view that as an advantage.
Anyway, I'm with Steve. Get a grip tractor boy - If you want to be a contractor then please don't whinge about the way the marketplace works. If you don't like an opportunity don't take it. If you want to work on what you fancy where you fancy then you have to create that opportunity yourself. It's just business.
Contractors are hookers. That's why we're paid more. So we do the dirty jobs and you go away when we're asked. Sometimes we have hard-to-find specialist skills. Those of us who are high-class hookers get paid accordingly
So let's have a bit less "sell your soul to the devil", "all of the dirt about a company before you gave up any time of your life", "the abuse companies throw at us", "starting back at square one again", "6 weeks is too short of a time to disrupt my life for" and similar self-centred, emotive stuff. You'll be suggesting we start a union next. Possibly the only thing that people really have to know is if a client won't PAY UP.
T.J.
Likely either with Tele2 in Stockholm or maybe what is now Vodafone in Karlskrona? Not aware there are any others. One would imagine Vodafone will be heading for corporate solutions that don't include ProIV so maybe Tele2 is more likely. Stockholm is hardly an "Arctic waste". On the other hand since it appears very short term, ,maybe it could be Vodafone..
There are very few "projects" that really take two months unless they are entirely self-contained. I have taken a three month contract and ended up staying four years. You have to take a view depending on what the specific work is.
I think the ProIV work and human resourcing on ISIS is often handled via CSC. My only historical contact with CSC suggested that typically they don't offer very good contract rates and they either couldn't or wouldn't be flexible depending on who they were getting. So I guess that could be an issue.
Clearly, if they're only offering 30/40 days paid work then the rate has to be set accordingly and they have to take care of all accomodation and transport costs for you. Assuming you can afford to decline the work then I would have thought you could insist on USD750/day plus all expenses.
Maybe they're being extra cautious because some contractors they've been getting recently haven't been up to it? Who knows.
Remember the arrangement is reciprocal - if you don't like it you can walk away after two months and not be stuck for six. What is effectively a "probationary" period can be advantageous to both parties - if you're worried it might not be a pleasant place to work you should surely view that as an advantage.
Anyway, I'm with Steve. Get a grip tractor boy - If you want to be a contractor then please don't whinge about the way the marketplace works. If you don't like an opportunity don't take it. If you want to work on what you fancy where you fancy then you have to create that opportunity yourself. It's just business.
Contractors are hookers. That's why we're paid more. So we do the dirty jobs and you go away when we're asked. Sometimes we have hard-to-find specialist skills. Those of us who are high-class hookers get paid accordingly
So let's have a bit less "sell your soul to the devil", "all of the dirt about a company before you gave up any time of your life", "the abuse companies throw at us", "starting back at square one again", "6 weeks is too short of a time to disrupt my life for" and similar self-centred, emotive stuff. You'll be suggesting we start a union next. Possibly the only thing that people really have to know is if a client won't PAY UP.
T.J.
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 12:48 PM
Hi guys,
I put this ad up in good faith. I have not advertised a position on this forum before but due to the overwhelming response I received from a lot of very good Pro-IV programmers around the world I will certainly be doing so again. Thanks Rob D, great site.
To add to this, the client I am advertising on behalf of are not losing contractors at a fast rate at all. There are contractors that have been on this site for up to 5 years. The average contractor stays here for 1.5 years.
The contract was for an urgent peice of work that needed to be completed and was only up to 2 months of work but that was extended to 3 months (a standard trial period for those of you that obviously don't have any real clue as to how contracting works). i.e. Prove yourself first.
Thank you to those who posted positive replies. Scandinavia is a very nice location with fantastic summers and snowy winters. Yes OK, the temp can reach to extremes. Last week it got to -14 but then England is expected to reach the same temp this week. The only difference being is that scandinavia does not grind to a halt with the fall of a few snow flakes.
Positions with this client at the moment can lead up to 2 more years of contract. If you are a PRO-IV programmer and you have telecoms experience and you are currently out of work then what is wrong with 2 months of work. The myth that a short contract on your C.V. looks bad only becomes reality if ALL you contracts are short term i.e. nobody wants you for very long!!! If you are currently out of work and a short term contract comes up then by taking it shows your willingness to work.
Quite honestly I am shocked at these few appaling comments made concerning the offer of work. What's the matter with you? Two months of contractors cash not worth getting out of bed for? Obviously the massive amount of Pro-IV work that is currently available allows you to pick and choose at will? I don't think so.
I put this ad up in good faith. I have not advertised a position on this forum before but due to the overwhelming response I received from a lot of very good Pro-IV programmers around the world I will certainly be doing so again. Thanks Rob D, great site.
To add to this, the client I am advertising on behalf of are not losing contractors at a fast rate at all. There are contractors that have been on this site for up to 5 years. The average contractor stays here for 1.5 years.
The contract was for an urgent peice of work that needed to be completed and was only up to 2 months of work but that was extended to 3 months (a standard trial period for those of you that obviously don't have any real clue as to how contracting works). i.e. Prove yourself first.
Thank you to those who posted positive replies. Scandinavia is a very nice location with fantastic summers and snowy winters. Yes OK, the temp can reach to extremes. Last week it got to -14 but then England is expected to reach the same temp this week. The only difference being is that scandinavia does not grind to a halt with the fall of a few snow flakes.
Positions with this client at the moment can lead up to 2 more years of contract. If you are a PRO-IV programmer and you have telecoms experience and you are currently out of work then what is wrong with 2 months of work. The myth that a short contract on your C.V. looks bad only becomes reality if ALL you contracts are short term i.e. nobody wants you for very long!!! If you are currently out of work and a short term contract comes up then by taking it shows your willingness to work.
Quite honestly I am shocked at these few appaling comments made concerning the offer of work. What's the matter with you? Two months of contractors cash not worth getting out of bed for? Obviously the massive amount of Pro-IV work that is currently available allows you to pick and choose at will? I don't think so.
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 08:37 PM
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Thankyou for you insightful response. There is so much wrong with your argument that I could spend all night tearing it down and to be frank, I'd enjoy doing it.
However, others have covered the main points and thanks to them I now have time to invite Mai Li around tonight and she's promised to love me long time for only 10 dollar.
Peace.
Thankyou for you insightful response. There is so much wrong with your argument that I could spend all night tearing it down and to be frank, I'd enjoy doing it.
However, others have covered the main points and thanks to them I now have time to invite Mai Li around tonight and she's promised to love me long time for only 10 dollar.
Peace.
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Posted 26 January 2004 - 08:53 PM
Hi,
When I first started contracting in Scandinavia, it was on a 5 month contract... It lasted nearly 9 years in the end!!
I would definatly stuggest going there, I had a great time. Just after 9 years I needed to move somewhere else for the change
Rob D.
When I first started contracting in Scandinavia, it was on a 5 month contract... It lasted nearly 9 years in the end!!
I would definatly stuggest going there, I had a great time. Just after 9 years I needed to move somewhere else for the change
Rob D.
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