Hi,
We are currently looking at the GUI PROIV front end for our client and wonder if anyone out there has a good example of the GUI that we could take a look at.
We are not interested in the underlying code we just want to show our client what the PROIV GUI can do. (RUNTIME examples would be fine)
One system that looks very impressive that we found recently on the PROIV homepage was the HRS system. It looks really great BUT..... I have tried in vain to get a copy (only RUNTIME!!!!) to see how it navigates and works for real. For some reason PROIV LTD will not give this to us to look at. (only the screen cam version, which does not really give you the right feel to things).
They tell us that the people who wrote it (who are part of the same group as PROIV LTD) are not willing to show it in real-time. Not very helpful as usual.
I wish they would learn. Screen cams are a good idea for a first impression. However, they cannot be the basis for a company to decide to spend lots of money on developing a GUI system.
Anyway, I would be grateful if someone could help,
Thanks,
Rob
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Posted 19 April 2000 - 05:33 PM
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Posted 20 April 2000 - 01:17 PM
We have also asked PROIV for the coding to see how it's done since I have been told that it's all coded in PROIV.
For some time I have asked PROIV to put good working examples (eg code and PROISAM files) on the web but nothing ever happens.
The new guy in charge of PROIV (Malcolm Aldis) is also in charge of HRS, so perhaps the code may appear eventually.
For some time I have asked PROIV to put good working examples (eg code and PROISAM files) on the web but nothing ever happens.
The new guy in charge of PROIV (Malcolm Aldis) is also in charge of HRS, so perhaps the code may appear eventually.
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Posted 26 April 2000 - 02:18 PM
On the Pro-IV 4.6 CD there are a set of demo applications that show most of the capabilities of PRO IV GUI and the source code is included.
They're not quite as impressive as the HRS system, but what do you want for free?
They're not quite as impressive as the HRS system, but what do you want for free?
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Posted 26 April 2000 - 05:36 PM
FREE!!!
How much do you think the company that I work for pay for Support/maintenance!!!
I don't want to copy the system, I want to show them what can be done with PROIV if you spend some time. Since it would not cost PROIV ltd any money to ftp the .out of the runtime env to me (maybe only a few screens).
It would just make things easier for us if we could have a real demo. It would be nice if PROIV LTD could help us with this. I'm quite sure if we produce a good GUI system PROIV LTD would like to use us as a reference site. So why can't they help us?
It's as if they are trying to hide something......
Rob
How much do you think the company that I work for pay for Support/maintenance!!!
I don't want to copy the system, I want to show them what can be done with PROIV if you spend some time. Since it would not cost PROIV ltd any money to ftp the .out of the runtime env to me (maybe only a few screens).
It would just make things easier for us if we could have a real demo. It would be nice if PROIV LTD could help us with this. I'm quite sure if we produce a good GUI system PROIV LTD would like to use us as a reference site. So why can't they help us?
It's as if they are trying to hide something......
Rob
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Posted 27 April 2000 - 01:47 PM
Sorry, but the HRS system is written by a customer of PRO IV Ltd (MDIS - soon to be Northgate) and therefore they have no control over whether the runtime is generally available. The HRS system is a commercial product for which large amounts of money is charged so they are not going to give away runtime versions.
If the demo on the CD does not meet your needs then you could always customize the source. E.g. you could add wallpaper or create some new BMPs for the buttons.
I've just looked at the HRS demo again - it's possible that some of the effects were created using JavaSuite or WebAccess. I haven't looked at either of these products yet and I've only recently started using PRO IV GUI in earnest, so I could be wrong.
If the demo on the CD does not meet your needs then you could always customize the source. E.g. you could add wallpaper or create some new BMPs for the buttons.
I've just looked at the HRS demo again - it's possible that some of the effects were created using JavaSuite or WebAccess. I haven't looked at either of these products yet and I've only recently started using PRO IV GUI in earnest, so I could be wrong.
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Posted 27 April 2000 - 03:19 PM
The HRS application was created with PROIV4.6r100
functionality. It uses some new features of the
client for mouse over images, etc. It runs under the
standard PROIV Windows client as well as JavaSuite.
As Ralph suggests PROIV are not in a position to
provide the app as it is not theirs.
functionality. It uses some new features of the
client for mouse over images, etc. It runs under the
standard PROIV Windows client as well as JavaSuite.
As Ralph suggests PROIV are not in a position to
provide the app as it is not theirs.
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Posted 28 April 2000 - 07:33 AM
Have you actually looked at the demo supplied? To say that it is simple is understating the truth. It really is useless. As for customising the source, this is not the point, the people here want to learn how ProIV have acheived the finer GUI coding tricks.
It would be nice if there was a respectable demo of a GUI system was made available by ProIV. By offering this demo and sharing some coding knowledge, maybe, they may stimulate a little more interest in the language. Or is this not a priority?
It would be nice if there was a respectable demo of a GUI system was made available by ProIV. By offering this demo and sharing some coding knowledge, maybe, they may stimulate a little more interest in the language. Or is this not a priority?
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Posted 28 April 2000 - 11:40 AM
Hi guys
You are all wasting your time and energy. Proiv will never do anything they are are asked to supply. Even when you find faults in the language,you have to supply evidence 100 times before they will look at the problem. WHY WASTE TIME.
You are all wasting your time and energy. Proiv will never do anything they are are asked to supply. Even when you find faults in the language,you have to supply evidence 100 times before they will look at the problem. WHY WASTE TIME.
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Posted 28 April 2000 - 01:23 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't PROIV LTD part of the MDIS group of companies???
What is the point of being in a group of companies that don't help each other!!
Rob
What is the point of being in a group of companies that don't help each other!!
Rob
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Posted 29 April 2000 - 03:38 AM
Well, To tell you frankly Rob,
Glovia (MDIS) has its own people who does Pro-IV Programming. So normally, they don't cooperate with each other. Pro-IV Ltd. just makes PRO-IV enhancements or new developments. And support with Glovia, sometimes. Sometimes, a lot of programmers get pissed off with the way they act because there's no coordination. Hope you know what I'm saying.
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Glovia (MDIS) has its own people who does Pro-IV Programming. So normally, they don't cooperate with each other. Pro-IV Ltd. just makes PRO-IV enhancements or new developments. And support with Glovia, sometimes. Sometimes, a lot of programmers get pissed off with the way they act because there's no coordination. Hope you know what I'm saying.
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Posted 03 May 2000 - 09:55 PM
Having seen a Lotus screen cam of part of the HRS system, I was able to re-produce some of the functionality (the calendar and 'grid control') quite easily. You will need the latest MFC client (the version that supports mouse over icons), but apart from that, the coding behind the application is not rocket science. Don't be fooled by the 'whizzy graphics'. None of the effect were created by Javasuite or WebAccess. Javasuite is simply a tool that allows your PRO IV code to be accessed across a thin client (web browser) with no code change. Neither JavaSuite nor WebAccess add any raw functionality to the PRO IV kernel.
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Posted 03 May 2000 - 09:59 PM
I completely agree with your comments Rob. PRO IV is now even more closely tied with MDIS, but does communication and cooperation improve between both parties?...Does it heck...MDIS want to protect their own empire, whilst PROIV attempt to do the same.
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Posted 04 May 2000 - 10:43 AM
I am the Development Manager for the HRS system that is being discussed. The name of the system is in fact ResourceLink. I have spent several years working with the GUI capabilities of ProIV/MFC Client. The screen cams that you are referring to are just a few screens from our application. The whole look and feel was achieved primarily by using lots of icons, several wallpapers and altering our ProIV source code using conversion routines that we developed. The system was originally written using SuperLayer and was then converted at ProIV Level to achieve the required look and feel.
The more complex screens in the system such as the Menu Function and the Calendar function are achieved by using variable icons and changing them at runtime. The calendar function allows you to drill into individual days of a month and add sickness details etc.
Although the concepts used are simple the coding can become extremely complex in such functions as the calendar.
Now that ProIV supplies such facilities as MouseOver Icons and Quick Exit we are only bound by our own imaginations.
The more complex screens in the system such as the Menu Function and the Calendar function are achieved by using variable icons and changing them at runtime. The calendar function allows you to drill into individual days of a month and add sickness details etc.
Although the concepts used are simple the coding can become extremely complex in such functions as the calendar.
Now that ProIV supplies such facilities as MouseOver Icons and Quick Exit we are only bound by our own imaginations.
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Posted 04 May 2000 - 10:56 AM
After reading all the comments on this subject I feel that something is being missed. Instead of always looking to take someone else's code in order to work out how certain effects were achieved, I would always try to achieve them myself using my own methods. I was in a position where there was no screen cams to look at and no code to copy. I simply took what was on offer from ProIV and started to play. It's amazing what you can achieve using simple concepts and a bit of imagination.
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Posted 04 May 2000 - 11:55 AM
I'm not looking to take the code!!
I don't think you read it correctly.
It was to show out client what can be done!!!!!
I just wanted a few examples as I thought this looked like a good system.
Rob
I don't think you read it correctly.
It was to show out client what can be done!!!!!
I just wanted a few examples as I thought this looked like a good system.
Rob
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