Despite (or because of) all the hype surrounding Wikipedia's 'accuracy', I thought I'd see what it held for PRO-IV... in summary it basically said 'harmless'.
I've changed it to say something roughly akin to 'mostly harmless', but I'm sure all you PRO-IV heads would like to see it improved - I'd suggest that we need to include sections on History, Description, Features, major Applications, and perhaps (links) on significant people in the PRO-IV world.
The PRO-IV page is at Wikipedia Pro-IV entry.
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Posted 30 December 2005 - 03:40 AM
Interesting as (rather sadly) I looked for that a couple of weeks back and there was no entry, so that's pretty recent.
I did find a Pro4 entry about a radio controlled car though. Not sure which one would crash less ... ;-)
I did find a Pro4 entry about a radio controlled car though. Not sure which one would crash less ... ;-)
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Posted 30 December 2005 - 05:29 PM
Though it could be controversial, I don't considered ProIV as a "Fourth-generation programming language" as stated in the Wikipedia Pro-IV entry, but rather a "Rapid Application Development (RAD) environment"...
Even Northgate call it RAD...
http://www.proiv.com...about/about.xsp
Even Northgate call it RAD...
http://www.proiv.com...about/about.xsp
Edited by CSuarezdelReal, 30 December 2005 - 05:30 PM.
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Posted 03 January 2006 - 07:05 PM
CSuarezdelReal,
I think both are true. I would argue that ProIV is 4GL as it ultimately creates C in the background. RAD I see more as a marketing claim than a technical distinction of a language.
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I find it interesting that this website is listed above Northgate's website as an external link for ProIV. Northgate probably deserves top billing there.
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Joseph
Though it could be controversial, I don't considered ProIV as a "Fourth-generation programming language" as stated in the Wikipedia Pro-IV entry, but rather a "Rapid Application Development (RAD) environment"...
I think both are true. I would argue that ProIV is 4GL as it ultimately creates C in the background. RAD I see more as a marketing claim than a technical distinction of a language.
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I find it interesting that this website is listed above Northgate's website as an external link for ProIV. Northgate probably deserves top billing there.
Regards,
Joseph
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Posted 09 January 2006 - 06:21 PM
Very good idea Dan, we should all try and make some time to contribute to that.
Wikipedia's definition of "4GL" seems to cover ProIV pretty well to me, although I'd be interested to know what specific things people believe distinguish a "RAD tool" from a 4GL.
Incidentally, as far as I know, ProIV never generates any "new" C - it's not a code generator. The kernel was written in C (for most platforms) and acts as the interpreter (VM) for the "bytecode" stored in the genfile.
Wikipedia's definition of "4GL" seems to cover ProIV pretty well to me, although I'd be interested to know what specific things people believe distinguish a "RAD tool" from a 4GL.
Incidentally, as far as I know, ProIV never generates any "new" C - it's not a code generator. The kernel was written in C (for most platforms) and acts as the interpreter (VM) for the "bytecode" stored in the genfile.
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Posted 09 January 2006 - 10:14 PM
Richard,
I was under the impression that ProIV did (or used to) actually generate C code.
At a generic level then, the point that I was trying to make is that ProIV would be considered a 4GL because it is developmentally one step beyond C (a 3GL).
I see a branding of fourth generation language as somewhat more measurable than the label rapid application development (RAD). From experience, I would definitely agree with the RAD label for ProIV. Also, I would say that ProIV has a strong case to self identify as RAD.
RAD, to me, seems to be a claim like "High performance sports car". A number of folks can make the claim and it generates certain general expectations (it will be fast), but not clear, specific ones (it will go 0 - 60 in under 5 seconds and have a top speed > 180 mph).
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Joseph
Incidentally, as far as I know, ProIV never generates any "new" C - it's not a code generator. The kernel was written in C (for most platforms) and acts as the interpreter (VM) for the "bytecode" stored in the genfile.
I was under the impression that ProIV did (or used to) actually generate C code.
At a generic level then, the point that I was trying to make is that ProIV would be considered a 4GL because it is developmentally one step beyond C (a 3GL).
I see a branding of fourth generation language as somewhat more measurable than the label rapid application development (RAD). From experience, I would definitely agree with the RAD label for ProIV. Also, I would say that ProIV has a strong case to self identify as RAD.
RAD, to me, seems to be a claim like "High performance sports car". A number of folks can make the claim and it generates certain general expectations (it will be fast), but not clear, specific ones (it will go 0 - 60 in under 5 seconds and have a top speed > 180 mph).
Regards,
Joseph
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Posted 09 January 2006 - 10:53 PM
ProIV has never generated any 'C' code! The ProIV kernal was originally written in Assembler, certainly up to and including version 1.2. It used to take up about 26K on a PDP-11.
I'll have to see what gems I can dig up from my archives form old ProIV marketing material.
I still have an original "Pros use Pro-IV" badge somewhere!
I'll have to see what gems I can dig up from my archives form old ProIV marketing material.
I still have an original "Pros use Pro-IV" badge somewhere!
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Posted 10 January 2006 - 08:32 AM
Well, it is said to be the oldest trade.I still have an original "Pros use Pro-IV" badge somewhere!
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Posted 10 January 2006 - 06:33 PM
Chris,
Ok... I reserve the right to be wrong. I just try not to do it on public forums...
Thanks for the info just the same.
I'd be curious to see what the Pros use ProIV button looks like. Maybe the good folks at ProIV can put together a challenge for another bottle of champaigne (or for money) to come up with the best new design for an appropriate Pros use ProIV button!
Regards,
Joseph
ProIV has never generated any 'C' code! The ProIV kernal was originally written in Assembler, certainly up to and including version 1.2. It used to take up about 26K on a PDP-11.
Ok... I reserve the right to be wrong. I just try not to do it on public forums...
Thanks for the info just the same.
I'd be curious to see what the Pros use ProIV button looks like. Maybe the good folks at ProIV can put together a challenge for another bottle of champaigne (or for money) to come up with the best new design for an appropriate Pros use ProIV button!
Regards,
Joseph
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