Looking for experienced Pro-iv Contractors for large UK based company (the company does not wish to be disclosed at present)
Rates are £24 per hour.
Contracts are for 3 - 6 months
Contact Sally Rouse at sally.rouse@carrerasystems.co.uk for more information.
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Ross Bevin
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Posted 27 April 2004 - 04:57 PM
Is this a serious rate? I don't know about the UK but in North America you would have to (taking into account cost of living) offer at least double this rate to attract good developers.
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Posted 28 April 2004 - 12:49 PM
When words profound and fluent,
I'm called upon to write,
I always worry that I mite,
not get the spelling rite.
So I keep a spelling checker,
(clever thing) in my PC,
and my computer brings to cite,
miss steaks aye can knot sea.
A chequer is a wondrous thing.
It freeze me lodes of thyme.
It helps me chews the word sigh knead,
and lets me make them rime!
Each frays composed upon my screen,
eye trussed to bee a joule.
The checker ponders every word,
against sum spelling rule.
Be four my checker changed my weighs,
aye had full many a laps.
Long words with lots of fid lee bits,
once gave me hart a tax.
Butt now bee cause my spell Ling,
is chequed with such grate flare,
their are know eras in my pro's.
(Of nun aye am a where!)
To rite suck sinked is quite a feet,
of witch won should be prowed.
Sew wee mussed rite eggs act and neat.
Miss takes are knot aloud.
Now yew can sea why aye S steam
soft wear that does sew pleas,
and why I brake in two averse,
in prays of our pea seas.
I'm called upon to write,
I always worry that I mite,
not get the spelling rite.
So I keep a spelling checker,
(clever thing) in my PC,
and my computer brings to cite,
miss steaks aye can knot sea.
A chequer is a wondrous thing.
It freeze me lodes of thyme.
It helps me chews the word sigh knead,
and lets me make them rime!
Each frays composed upon my screen,
eye trussed to bee a joule.
The checker ponders every word,
against sum spelling rule.
Be four my checker changed my weighs,
aye had full many a laps.
Long words with lots of fid lee bits,
once gave me hart a tax.
Butt now bee cause my spell Ling,
is chequed with such grate flare,
their are know eras in my pro's.
(Of nun aye am a where!)
To rite suck sinked is quite a feet,
of witch won should be prowed.
Sew wee mussed rite eggs act and neat.
Miss takes are knot aloud.
Now yew can sea why aye S steam
soft wear that does sew pleas,
and why I brake in two averse,
in prays of our pea seas.
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Kevin Bruss
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 05:20 AM
Good one Rick.. Reminded me of this one I came across years ago:
ENGLISH IS TOUGH STUFF
Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.
Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.
Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.
Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.
Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.
Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.
Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.
Pronunciation -- think of Psyche!
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.
Finally, which rhymes with enough --
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!
-- Author Unknown
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ENGLISH IS TOUGH STUFF
Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.
Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.
Hear me say, devoid of trickery,
Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,
Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,
Exiles, similes, and reviles;
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far;
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;
Gertrude, German, wind and mind,
Scene, Melpomene, mankind.
Billet does not rhyme with ballet,
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
Viscous, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward.
And your pronunciation's OK
When you correctly say croquet,
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.
Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
And enamour rhyme with hammer.
River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,
Doll and roll and some and home.
Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,
Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,
And then singer, ginger, linger,
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.
Query does not rhyme with very,
Nor does fury sound like bury.
Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.
Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.
Though the differences seem little,
We say actual but victual.
Refer does not rhyme with deafer.
Foeffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Mint, pint, senate and sedate;
Dull, bull, and George ate late.
Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific.
Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed, but vowed.
Mark the differences, moreover,
Between mover, cover, clover;
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice;
Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, panel, and canal,
Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor.
Tour, but our and succour, four.
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.
Sea, idea, Korea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.
Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion and battalion.
Sally with ally, yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.
Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.
Heron, granary, canary.
Crevice and device and aerie.
Face, but preface, not efface.
Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.
Large, but target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.
Ear, but earn and wear and tear
Do not rhyme with here but ere.
Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,
Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.
Pronunciation -- think of Psyche!
Is a paling stout and spikey?
Won't it make you lose your wits,
Writing groats and saying grits?
It's a dark abyss or tunnel:
Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,
Islington and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.
Finally, which rhymes with enough --
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!
-- Author Unknown
~*~
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Posted 06 May 2004 - 07:58 AM
Ross, I guess from your post that you are actually based in North America.Is this a serious rate? I don't know about the UK but in North America you would have to (taking into account cost of living) offer at least double this rate to attract good developers.
Things are very much different in the UK since 'we' do not have the benefit of a protectionist government who will seek to safeguard our jobs in the face of the burgeoning threat from the East. Literally thousands of jobs are being sold down the river to Eastern companies who purport to do the same job, for a fraction of the cost. Thus far, you are lucky to have a government who appear to be protecting your jobs (or contracts), and not succumbing to the temptation to pinch a few pennies short term, at the expense of jobs and quality.
If I may quote Desperate Orangutan, and his possibly self-effacing comment "If you pay peanuts you get Monkeys". Good luck, and I guess if you can command the rates that you suggest where you are, then I would advise holding on to what you've got for as long as possible until you're job goes the same way as everyone else's - East.
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Posted 07 May 2004 - 02:59 AM
An outfit that I used to work for sub contracted some of its development work "East".
The quality of the software that was produced was pretty poor to say the least, so much so that it was more effort in the end to repair the errors than it would have been to do it in-house in the first place. This was depite the fact that we were told that the level of competency was high.
As a result, the company ceased using the sub contract shop and bought back the development in-house.
If other companies experience what we did, it can only be a plus for keeping development where it should be instead of looking for the "cheap and quick" solution.
There's light at the end of the tunnel !!
The quality of the software that was produced was pretty poor to say the least, so much so that it was more effort in the end to repair the errors than it would have been to do it in-house in the first place. This was depite the fact that we were told that the level of competency was high.
As a result, the company ceased using the sub contract shop and bought back the development in-house.
If other companies experience what we did, it can only be a plus for keeping development where it should be instead of looking for the "cheap and quick" solution.
There's light at the end of the tunnel !!
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