Posted 14 May 2003 - 01:44 AM
I had to learn my Pro-IV from a damned manual. That was 3 versions too old. With missing pages. It nearly drove me insane.
Posted 14 May 2003 - 10:13 AM
There must be a good deal of stuff archived here. If we all contributed something I'm sure we could put out a useful document. Maybe we set up some central collection point for stuff, someone to edit, proof read etc.
I know we're all busy but I'm sure it would be possible. This would be a "not for profit" enterprise as I don't think that anyone would make any money from it!
Rob - perhaps you should put up a special part of the site called "Cover CD Help" and bill ProIV for the bandwidth!
Posted 14 May 2003 - 10:32 AM
There sure is alot of info here now, its just a matter of searching through it all.
I have talked to a couple of people about this in the past, but not really sure how we can go about it.
Should it be a word doc, text file or even a new forum, where only a certain few people can 'move/copy/edit' relevant posts into? This would then be like a FAQ type of a forum.
As for the bandwidth, we'll see how much we get first. But I could easily setup another forum labeled 'CD Cover Disk'. I probably would not get any help from ProIV with this though. It should be ok though, we only get through about 500MB per month and I've got a 10GB limit
Posted 18 May 2003 - 05:32 AM
Can you tell me anymore about this? When is it going to happen? Can I download it from somewhere? What magazine? etc?
To answer Bob's point, PROIV are about to release a free "single developer" version targeted at the Windows and Lynux base and complement it with an aggressive marketing campaign (cd's on magazines etc)
Posted 19 May 2003 - 06:52 AM
There is a huge inefficiency which prohibits the market feedback mechanisms needed to efficiently orient some sort of strategy.
The primary driver is the siloed structure of most organizations. The hand-off from thinking to doing is not well orchestrated. One functional silo comes up with an idea and says to another, “Great, go put this into market.” The other one may recognize issues that have a strategic impact, but they consider them outside the scope of their responsibility despite the impact on program success.
Posted 19 May 2003 - 03:26 PM
Sounds like, basically, to release the single developer version there should be
a defined "Return on Investment" due to today's market.
Since Linux and windows devleopment is an unknown (particularly when most of it is free), there may not be an incentive from a profit standpoint to put the code out there for those users.
Does that sound about right?
Posted 20 May 2003 - 10:10 AM
Realistically, I cant imagine why anyone would want to try out proiv given the multitude of alternatives out there.
I think the average non-proiv programmer would be seriousley put off by the nature of proiv, unless of course it was seen as a good career move........
The best way to entice developers into the world of proiv is to either bribe them, or convince them that the language is just like say, vb, java etc etc (delete where appropriate).
Posted 20 May 2003 - 10:43 AM
I welcome and look forward to the free single developer CD and aggressive marketing campaign - Bring it on !
It may be overdue, but too late ?
Lets see the impact of it.
Posted 20 May 2003 - 11:00 AM
I would bet there are more companies attempting to phase out proiv, knowing what it is like than companies knowing what it is like and thinking of taking it on.
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