Posted 19 March 2003 - 12:20 PM
What do you feel are the contributing factors into why the Pro-iv market has become so dead ?
Is it firstly that more companies are moving away from Pro-iv because of the licensing costs, compared to other options.
Or that Pro-iv people are less inclined to move around now for whatever reason.
Me, personally I think that both of these are factors help in creating the current situation.
What do you think ?
Posted 19 March 2003 - 04:36 PM
Posted 19 March 2003 - 04:50 PM
Current economic climate is such that not a lot is being invested in IT right now.
ProIV is not percieved to be "cool" like Java or similar. (Even though it takes you 10 times longer to code it in Java... ). Therefore new projects are using "new" languages rather than ProIV.
ProIV is not easy to get into. They want to know you have a dev licence before they let you be a partner to download it!!! (Unless I am missing something there.) So therefore, there will NEVER be any new user who just download it and "try it out". (Like you can with Oracle, etc, etc).
I don't think the licence costs ProIV charges companies is a problem - all software providers need to do this. However, I think they should consider letting single users at home have development licences for free (a la Oracle). This won't cost ProIV anything (as support would not be included), and will only promote its use. Once you have written a product and then sell it - then ProIV can recoup their investment through the new licences you generate.
ProIV applications are ugly - although this is starting to change a little bit with v5.5. People don't like ugly looking applications. Therefore apps written in ProIV don't sell as well as pretty windows apps...(even if they are much better... )
Posted 19 March 2003 - 05:32 PM
It's a case of never mind the quality, feel the width !
Rob - get a move on with the function developer and maybe we can persuade companies it's actually a windows app then.
(Note the deliberate avoidance of the acronym V.I.P. in this mail, oh, wait...damn!)
Posted 20 March 2003 - 01:35 PM
Then there is the steep (in my case a 89 degree) learning curve. i do not have the time to essentially learn PRO over again.
What else can i say. To use PRO you have to have the resources; and a small entity just does not have them.
Guest_An ex PRO-IV user_*
Posted 20 March 2003 - 06:33 PM
Companies set technology strategies (like. "go Java") that rule out PRO-IV.
PRO-IV feels like obsolescent technology (although it will still be with us for a long time).
There have been no major new PRO-IV apps created for several years.
The actual PRO-IV development environments and versions in use vary widely.
PRO-IV on its own cannot implement large-scale Web applications.
The GUI is pretty much Microsoft-specfic but can't compete with VB / DevStudio.
The full Oracle toolset for unrestricted use can be had for the price of a PRO-IV dev license.
People are afraid PRO-IV costs will continue to rise (market not growing).
Fundamental limitations (like workspace) never seem likely to be fixed.
PRO-IV has gained no real O-O features or integration.
MDIS/Northgate/PRO-IV has already been close to the edge once financially.
Basically I guess a lot of people think they can see the writing on the wall.
Posted 25 March 2003 - 09:03 PM
I have just been on an oracle course for Jdeveloper, and was amazed on how quick one can create front and backend applications using this tool set. Any prospective customer of Jdeveloper needs only consider the cost of the development tool without any worries of how much it will cost to deploy the application.
Also resource for PRO-IV development is in comparison more expensive than main stream languages, more so if you hire people from the Indian subcontinent/ eastern block countries for languages such as Java/forms/c++
I liked developing in pro-iv but many companies are looking at reducing IT costs in today’s climate, and I think any costs such as Pro-iv licensing will be looked at strongly by the FD/IT Managers of organisations.
I think the writing is on the wall....
Posted 13 May 2003 - 12:09 AM
Posted 13 May 2003 - 07:59 PM
This sounds like a positive step.
To accompany this, is ProIV considering some introductory documentation for beginners? I.e A step by step tutorial that teaches a ProIV novice some basics like creating a file, writing a screen, update, etc?
Someone who decides to "try it out" from a magazine CD would probably give up pretty quickly without this kind of help, given the non-intuitive nature of ProIV.
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